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SN 22.85

Yamaka — The Elder Yamaka · Thanissaro Bhikkhu
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Pāli

85 (3). Yamakasuttaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

85 (3). Yamaka

Pāli

Ekaṃ samayaṃ āyasmā sāriputto sāvatthiyaṃ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme. Tena

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

I have heard that on one occasion Venerable

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

At one time Venerable Sāriputta was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.

Pāli

kho pana samayena yamakassa nāma bhikkhuno evarūpaṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ uppannaṃ hoti –

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Sariputta was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Now, at that time this evil supposition had arisen toVen. Yamaka:

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

Now at that time a mendicant named Yamaka had the following harmful misconception:

Pāli

‘‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati

vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more (mental) effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death.”

Pāli

Assosuṃ kho sambahulā bhikkhū yamakassa kira nāma bhikkhuno evarūpaṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ

uppannaṃ hoti – ‘‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa

bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

A large number of monks heard, "They say that this evil supposition has arisen to Ven. Yamaka: 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.'"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

Several mendicants heard this rumour.

“As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death.”

Pāli

Atha kho te bhikkhū yenāyasmā yamako

tenupasaṅkamiṃsu; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā yamakena saddhiṃ sammodiṃsu. Sammodanīyaṃ kathaṃ sāraṇīyaṃ vītisāretvā ekamantaṃ nisīdiṃsu. Ekamantaṃ nisinnā kho te bhikkhū āyasmantaṃ yamakaṃ etadavocuṃ –

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

So they went to Ven. Yamaka and on arrival exchanged courteous greetings. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, they sat to one side. As they were sitting there, they said to Ven. Yamaka,

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They went to Yamaka and exchanged greetings with him.

When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they sat down to one side and said to him,

Pāli

‘‘Saccaṃ kira te, āvuso yamaka, evarūpaṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ uppannaṃ – ‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā

dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’’ti?

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Is it true, friend Yamaka, that this evil supposition has arisen to you: 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Is it really true, Reverend Yamaka, that you have such a harmful misconception:

“As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death.”

Pāli

‘‘Evaṃ khvāhaṃ, āvuso, bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi – ‘khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Yes, friends. As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Yes, reverends, that’s how I understand the Buddha’s teaching.”

Pāli

‘‘Mā, āvuso yamaka, evaṃ avaca, mā bhagavantaṃ abbhācikkhi. Na hi sādhu bhagavato abbhācikkhanaṃ. Na hi bhagavā evaṃ vadeyya – ‘khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Don't say that, friend Yamaka. Don't misrepresent the Blessed One. It's not good to misrepresent the Blessed One, for the Blessed One would not say, 'A monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.'"

Pāli

Evampi kho āyasmā yamako tehi bhikkhūhi vuccamāno tatheva taṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ thāmasā parāmāsā abhinivissa voharati – ‘‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

But even though Ven. Yamaka was thus rebuked by those monks, he — from stubbornness & attachment — maintained his adherence to that evil supposition: 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death.”

Pāli

Yato kho te bhikkhū nāsakkhiṃsu āyasmantaṃ yamakaṃ etasmā pāpakā diṭṭhigatā vivecetuṃ, atha

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

When those monks could not pry Ven. Yamaka loose from his evil supposition, they got up from their seats and went to Ven. Sariputta. On arrival they said to him: "Friend Sariputta, this evil supposition has arisen to Ven. Yamaka: 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.' It would be good if you would go to Ven. Yamaka out of sympathy for his sake."

Ven. Sariputta consented by remaining silent.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

When those mendicants were unable to dissuade Yamaka from that misconception, they rose from their seats and went to see Venerable Sāriputta. They told him what had happened, and said,

Pāli

kho te bhikkhū uṭṭhāyāsanā yenāyasmā sāriputto tenupasaṅkamiṃsu; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmantaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Then in the evening Ven. Sariputta left his seclusion, went to Ven. Yamaka, and on arrival exchanged courteous greetings. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to Ven. Yamaka,

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

When those mendicants were unable to dissuade Yamaka from that misconception, they rose from their seats and went to see Venerable Sāriputta. They told him what had happened, and said,

Pāli

sāriputtaṃ etadavocuṃ – ‘‘yamakassa nāma, āvuso sāriputta, bhikkhuno evarūpaṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Is it true, my friend Yamaka, that this evil supposition has arisen to you: 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death.'

Pāli

uppannaṃ – ‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Yes, my friend Sariputta. As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

‘As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death’?”

Pāli

Sādhāyasmā sāriputto yena yamako bhikkhu

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"What do you think, my friend Yamaka: Is form constant or inconstant?" "Inconstant, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“May Venerable Sāriputta please go to the mendicant Yamaka out of sympathy.”

Pāli

tenupasaṅkamatu anukampaṃ upādāyā’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Is feeling… perception… fabrications… consciousness constant or inconstant?" "Inconstant, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“May Venerable Sāriputta please go to the mendicant Yamaka out of sympathy.”

Pāli

Adhivāsesi kho āyasmā sāriputto tuṇhībhāvena. Atha kho āyasmā sāriputto sāyanhasamayaṃ paṭisallānā vuṭṭhito yenāyasmā yamako tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmatā yamakena saddhiṃ sammodi…pe… ekamantaṃ nisinno kho āyasmā sāriputto āyasmantaṃ yamakaṃ etadavoca –

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Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"And is that which is inconstant easeful or stressful?"

"Stressful, my friend."

"And is it proper to regard what is inconstant, stressful, subject to change as: 'This is mine. This is my self. This is what I am'?"

"No, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

Sāriputta consented with silence.

Pāli

‘‘Saccaṃ kira te, āvuso yamaka, evarūpaṃ pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ uppannaṃ – ‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Is feeling constant or inconstant?"

"Inconstant, my friend."...

"Is perception constant or inconstant?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Is it really true, Reverend Yamaka, that you have such a harmful misconception:

Pāli

dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’’ti?

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Inconstant, my friend."...

"Are fabrications constant or inconstant?"

"Inconstant, my friend."...

Pāli

‘‘Evaṃ khvāhaṃ, āvuso, bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’ti.

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, rūpaṃ niccaṃ vā aniccaṃ vā’’ti? ‘‘Aniccaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Is consciousness constant or inconstant?

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Yes, reverends, that’s how I understand the Buddha’s teaching.”

“What do you think, Yamaka?

Pāli

‘‘Vedanā niccā… sannā… saṅkhārā… viññāṇaṃ niccaṃ vā aniccaṃ vā’’ti? ‘‘Aniccaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Inconstant, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Impermanent, reverend.”

Pāli

Tasmātiha…pe… evaṃ passaṃ…pe… nāparaṃ itthattāyāti pajānātī’’ti.

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Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"And is that which is inconstant easeful or stressful?"

"Stressful, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“So you should truly see …

Pāli

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, rūpaṃ tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’ …

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"And is it proper to regard what is inconstant, stressful, subject to change as: 'This is mine. This is my self. This is what I am'?"

"No, my friend."

"Thus, friend Yamaka, any form whatsoever that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near: Every form is to be seen with right discernment as it has come to be: 'This is not mine. This is not my self. This is not what I am.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“What do you think, Yamaka?

Pāli

‘‘vedanaṃ tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’… ‘‘sannaṃ… saṅkhāre… viññāṇaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Any feeling whatsoever...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“No, reverend.”

Pāli

tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Any perception whatsoever...

"Any fabrications whatsoever...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“No, reverend.”

Pāli

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, rūpasmiṃ tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Any consciousness whatsoever that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near: Every consciousness is to be seen with right discernment as it has come to be: 'This is not mine. This is not my self. This is not what I am.'

"Seeing thus, the instructed disciple of the noble ones grows disenchanted with form, disenchanted with feeling, disenchanted with perception, disenchanted with fabrications, disenchanted with consciousness. Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion, he is released. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

What do you think, Reverend Yamaka?

Pāli

‘‘Aññatra rūpā tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’. ‘‘Vedanāya… aññatra vedanāya…

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Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"How do you construe this, my friend Yamaka: Do you regard form as the Tathagata?" "No, my friend."

"Do you regard feeling as the Tathagata?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“No, reverend.”

Pāli

pe… sannāya… aññatra sannāya… saṅkhāresu… aññatra saṅkhārehi… viññāṇasmiṃ tathāgatoti

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"No, my friend."

"Do you regard perception as the Tathagata?"

"No, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“… in relation to choices?” …

Pāli

samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Do you regard fabrications as the Tathagata?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“No, reverend.”

Pāli

‘‘Aññatra viññāṇā tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"No, my friend."

"Do you regard consciousness as the Tathagata?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“… apart from consciousness?”

Pāli

hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"No, my friend."

Pāli

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, rūpaṃ… vedanaṃ… sannaṃ… saṅkhāre… viññāṇaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"What do you think: Do you regard the Tathagata as being in form? "No, my friend."

“Do you regard the Tathagata as elsewhere than form?... In feeling?... Elsewhere than feeling?... In perception?... Elsewhere than perception?... In fabrications?... Elsewhere than fabrications?... In consciousness? "No, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“What do you think, Yamaka?

Pāli

tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

“Do you regard the Tathagata as elsewhere than consciousness?" "No, my friend."

Pāli

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, ayaṃ so arūpī… avedano… asaññī… asaṅkhāro… aviññāṇo

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"What do you think: Do you regard the Tathagata as form-feeling-perception-fabrications-consciousness?" "No, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“What do you think, Yamaka?

Pāli

tathāgatoti samanupassasī’’ti? ‘‘No hetaṃ, āvuso’’.

‘‘Ettha ca te, āvuso yamaka, diṭṭheva dhamme

saccato thetato tathāgate anupalabbhiyamāne,

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Do you regard the Tathagata as that which is without form, without feeling, without perception, without fabrications, without consciousness?"

"No, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“In that case, Reverend Yamaka, since a realized one is not found by you as a genuine fact in this very life, is it cogent for you to declare:

Pāli

kallaṃ nu te taṃ veyyākaraṇaṃ – ‘tathāhaṃ bhagavatā dhammaṃ desitaṃ ājānāmi, yathā khīṇāsavo bhikkhu kāyassa bhedā ucchijjati vinassati, na hoti paraṃ maraṇā’’’ti?

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"And so, my friend Yamaka — when you can't pin down the Tathagata as a truth or reality even in the present life — is it proper for you to declare, 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death'?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

‘As I understand the Buddha’s teaching, a mendicant who has ended the defilements is annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and doesn’t exist after death’?”

Pāli

‘‘Ahu kho me taṃ, āvuso sāriputta, pubbe aviddasuno pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ; idañca panāyasmato sāriputtassa dhammadesanaṃ sutvā tañceva pāpakaṃ diṭṭhigataṃ pahīnaṃ, dhammo ca me abhisamito’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Previously, my friend Sariputta, I did foolishly hold that evil supposition. But now, having heard your explanation of the Dhamma, I have abandoned that evil supposition, and have broken through to the Dhamma."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Reverend Sāriputta, in my ignorance, I used to have that misconception.

Pāli

‘‘Sace taṃ, āvuso yamaka, evaṃ puccheyyuṃ – ‘yo so, āvuso yamaka, bhikkhu arahaṃ khīṇāsavo

so kāyassa bhedā paraṃ maraṇā kiṃ hotī’ti? Evaṃ puṭṭho tvaṃ, āvuso yamaka, kinti byākareyyāsī’’ti?

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Then, friend Yamaka, how would you answer if you are thus asked: A monk, a worthy one, with no more mental effluents: what is he on the break-up of the body, after death?"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Reverend Yamaka, suppose they were to ask you:

How would you answer?”

Pāli

‘‘Sace maṃ, āvuso, evaṃ puccheyyuṃ – ‘yo so, āvuso yamaka, bhikkhu arahaṃ khīṇāsavo so kāyassa bhedā paraṃ maraṇā kiṃ hotī’ti? Evaṃ puṭṭhohaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ byākareyyaṃ –

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Then, friend Sariputta, thus asked, “A monk, a worthy one, with no more mental effluents: what is he on the break-up of the body, after death?" I would answer,

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

‘When their body breaks up, after death, what happens to a perfected one, who has ended the defilements?’

Pāli

‘rūpaṃ kho, āvuso, aniccaṃ. Yadaniccaṃ taṃ dukkhaṃ; yaṃ dukkhaṃ taṃ niruddhaṃ tadatthaṅgataṃ. Vedanā… sannā… saṅkhārā… viññāṇaṃ aniccaṃ. Yadaniccaṃ taṃ dukkhaṃ; yaṃ dukkhaṃ taṃ niruddhaṃ tadatthaṅgata’nti. Evaṃ puṭṭhohaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ byākareyya’’nti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

'Form is inconstant. That which is inconstant is stressful. That which is stressful has ceased and gone to its end." Feeling... Perception... Fabrications... Consciousness is inconstant. That which is inconstant is stressful. That which is stressful has ceased and gone to its end. That is how I would answer."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

‘Reverend, form is impermanent.

Pāli

‘‘Sādhu sādhu, āvuso yamaka! Tena hāvuso, yamaka, upamaṃ te karissāmi etasseva atthassa

bhiyyosomattāya ñāṇāya.

Seyyathāpi, āvuso yamaka, gahapati vā gahapatiputto vā aḍḍho mahaddhano

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Very good, my friend Yamaka. Very good. In that case I will give you an analogy for the sake of taking your understanding of this point even further.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Good, good, Reverend Yamaka!

Well then, I shall give you a simile to make the meaning even clearer.

Suppose there was a householder or householder’s son who was rich, with a lot of money and great wealth,

Pāli

mahābhogo; so ca ārakkhasampanno.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Suppose there were a householder or householder's son — rich, wealthy, with many possessions — who was thoroughly well-guarded. Then suppose there came along a certain man, desiring what was not his benefit, desiring what was not his welfare, desiring his loss of security, desiring to kill him.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

and a bodyguard for protection.

Pāli

Tassa kocideva puriso uppajjeyya anatthakāmo ahitakāmo ayogakkhemakāmo jīvitā voropetukāmo.

Tassa evamassa – ‘ayaṃ kho gahapati vā gahapatiputto vā aḍḍho mahaddhano mahābhogo; so ca ārakkhasampanno; nāyaṃ sukaro pasayha

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

The thought would occur to this man: 'It would not be easy to kill this person by force. What if I were to sneak in and then kill him?'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

Then along comes a person who wants to harm, injure, and threaten him, and take his life.

and a bodyguard for protection.

Pāli

jīvitā voropetuṃ. Yaṃnūnāhaṃ anupakhajja jīvitā voropeyya’nti.

So taṃ gahapatiṃ vā gahapatiputtaṃ vā upasaṅkamitvā evaṃ vadeyya – ‘upaṭṭhaheyyaṃ taṃ, bhante’ti. Tamenaṃ so gahapati vā

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"So he would go to the householder or householder's son and say, 'May you take me on as a servant, lord.' With that, the householder or householder's son would take the man on as a servant.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

Why don’t I get close to him, then take his life?’

So he goes up to that householder or householder’s son and says:

Pāli

gahapatiputto vā upaṭṭhāpeyya.

So upaṭṭhaheyya pubbuṭṭhāyī pacchānipātī kiṃkārapaṭissāvī manāpacārī piyavādī. Tassa so gahapati vā gahapatiputto vā mittatopi naṃ saddaheyya; suhajjatopi naṃ saddaheyya; tasmiñca vissāsaṃ āpajjeyya.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Having been taken on as a servant, the man would rise in the morning before his master, go to bed in the evening only after his master, doing whatever his master ordered, always acting to please him, speaking politely to him. Then the householder or householder's son would come to regard him as a friend & companion, and would fall into his trust.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They would serve that householder or householder’s son.

The householder or householder’s son would consider them as a friend

Pāli

Yadā kho, āvuso, tassa purisassa evamassa –

‘saṃvissattho kho myāyaṃ gahapati vā gahapatiputto vā’ti, atha naṃ rahogataṃ viditvā tiṇhena satthena jīvitā voropeyya.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

When the man realizes, 'This householder or householder's son trusts me,' then encountering him in a solitary place, he would kill him with a sharp knife.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

But when that person realizes that

they’ve gained the trust of the householder or householder’s son, then, when they know he’s alone, they’d take his life with a sharp knife.

Pāli

‘‘Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, āvuso yamaka, yadā hi so puriso amuṃ gahapatiṃ vā gahapatiputtaṃ vā

upasaṅkamitvā evaṃ āha – ‘upaṭṭhaheyyaṃ taṃ, bhante’ti, tadāpi so vadhakova. Vadhakañca pana

santaṃ na aññāsi – ‘vadhako me’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Now what do you think, my friend Yamaka? When that man went to the householder or householder's son and said, 'May you take me on as a servant, lord': wasn't he even then a murderer? And yet although he was a murderer, the householder or householder's son did not know him as 'my murderer.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

What do you think, Yamaka?

‘Sir, I would serve you.’

this was his killer?

Pāli

Yadāpi so upaṭṭhahati pubbuṭṭhāyī pacchānipātī kiṃkārapaṭissāvī manāpacārī piyavādī, tadāpi so vadhakova. Vadhakañca pana santaṃ na aññāsi – ‘vadhako me’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

And when, taken on as a servant, he would rise in the morning before his master, go to bed in the evening only after his master, doing whatever his master ordered, always acting to please him, speaking politely to him: wasn't he even then a murderer? And yet although he was a murderer, the householder or householder's son did not know him as 'my murderer.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

though he didn’t know that

Pāli

Yadāpi naṃ rahogataṃ viditvā tiṇhena satthena jīvitā voropeti, tadāpi so vadhakova. Vadhakañca pana

santaṃ na aññāsi – ‘vadhako me’’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

And when he encountered him in a solitary place and killed him with a sharp knife: wasn't he even then a murderer? And yet although he was a murderer, the householder or householder's son did not know him as 'my murderer.'"

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

And when, knowing he was alone, they took his life with a sharp knife, weren’t they a killer then,

this was his killer?

Pāli

‘‘Evamāvuso’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Yes, my friend."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Yes, reverend.”

Pāli

‘‘Evameva kho, āvuso, assutavā puthujjano

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“In the same way, an unlearned ordinary person has not seen the noble ones, and is neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They’ve not seen true persons, and are neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the true persons.

Pāli

ariyānaṃ adassāvī ariyadhammassa akovido ariyadhamme avinīto, sappurisānaṃ adassāvī

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"In the same way, an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma — assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“In the same way, an unlearned ordinary person has not seen the noble ones, and is neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They’ve not seen true persons, and are neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the true persons.

Pāli

sappurisadhammassa akovido sappurisadhamme avinīto rūpaṃ attato samanupassati, rūpavantaṃ vā

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He assumes feeling to be the self...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.

Pāli

attānaṃ; attani vā rūpaṃ, rūpasmiṃ vā attānaṃ.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He assumes perception to be the self...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.

Pāli

Vedanaṃ… sannaṃ… saṅkhāre… viññāṇaṃ attato

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He assumes (mental) fabrications to be the self...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard feeling …

Pāli

samanupassati, viññāṇavantaṃ vā attānaṃ; attani vā viññāṇaṃ, viññāṇasmiṃ vā attānaṃ’’.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.

Pāli

‘‘So aniccaṃ rūpaṃ ‘aniccaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Aniccaṃ vedanaṃ ‘aniccā vedanā’ti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Aniccaṃ sannaṃ ‘aniccā sannā’ti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Anicce saṅkhāre ‘aniccā saṅkhārā’ti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Aniccaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘aniccaṃ viññāṇa’nti

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not discern inconstant form, as it actually is present, as 'inconstant form.' He does not discern inconstant feeling, as it actually is present, as 'inconstant feeling.' He does not discern inconstant perception... He does not discern inconstant fabrications... He does not discern inconstant consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'inconstant consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard feeling …

Pāli

yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti.

‘‘Dukkhaṃ rūpaṃ ‘dukkhaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Dukkhaṃ vedanaṃ… dukkhaṃ

sannaṃ… dukkhe saṅkhāre… dukkhaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘dukkhaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not discern stressful form, as it actually is present, as 'stressful form.' He does not discern stressful feeling... He does not discern stressful perception... He does not discern stressful fabrications... He does not discern stressful consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'stressful consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They don’t truly understand form—which is impermanent—as impermanent.

They regard feeling …

choices …

Pāli

‘‘Anattaṃ rūpaṃ ‘anattā rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Anattaṃ vedanaṃ… anattaṃ sannaṃ… anatte saṅkhāre… anattaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘anattaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not discern not-self form, as it actually is present, as 'not-self form.' He does not discern not-self feeling... He does not discern not-self perception... He does not discern not-self fabrications... He does not discern not-self consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'not-self consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard feeling …

Pāli

‘‘Saṅkhataṃ rūpaṃ ‘saṅkhataṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Saṅkhataṃ vedanaṃ…

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not discern fabricated form, as it actually is present, as 'fabricated form.' He does not discern fabricated feeling... He does not discern fabricated perception... He does not discern fabricated fabrications... He does not discern fabricated consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'fabricated consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They regard feeling …

Pāli

saṅkhataṃ sannaṃ… saṅkhate saṅkhāre… saṅkhataṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘saṅkhataṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti.

‘‘Vadhakaṃ rūpaṃ ‘vadhakaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Vadhakaṃ vedanaṃ ‘vadhakā

vedanā’ti… vadhakaṃ sannaṃ ‘vadhakā sannā’ti… vadhake saṅkhāre ‘vadhakā saṅkhārā’ti

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not discern murderous form, as it actually is present, as 'murderous form.' He does not discern murderous feeling... He does not discern murderous perception... He does not discern murderous fabrications... He does not discern murderous consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'murderous consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

choices …

They regard feeling …

Pāli

yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti. Vadhakaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘vadhakaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ nappajānāti.

‘‘So rūpaṃ upeti upādiyati adhiṭṭhāti ‘attā me’ti. Vedanaṃ… sannaṃ… saṅkhāre… viññāṇaṃ

upeti upādiyati adhiṭṭhāti ‘attā me’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He gets attached to form, clings to form, & determines it to be 'my self.' He gets attached to feeling... He gets attached to perception... He gets attached to fabrications... He gets attached to consciousness, clings to consciousness, & determines it to be 'my self.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

consciousness—which is a killer—as a killer.

They’re attracted to form, grasp it, and fixate on the thought, ‘my self’.

Pāli

Tassime pañcupādānakkhandhā upetā upādinnā dīgharattaṃ ahitāya dukkhāya saṃvattanti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

These five clinging-aggregates — attached to, clung to — lead to his long-term loss & suffering.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

And when you’ve gotten involved with and grasped these five grasping aggregates, they lead to your lasting harm and suffering.

Pāli

‘‘Sutavā ca kho, āvuso, ariyasāvako ariyānaṃ dassāvī…pe… sappurisadhamme suvinīto na rūpaṃ

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ariyadhammassa kovido ariyadhamme suvinīto sappurisānaṃ dassāvī sappurisadhammassa kovido
Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Now, the well-instructed, disciple of the noble ones — who has regard for noble ones, is well-versed & disciplined in their Dhamma; who has regard for men of integrity, is well-versed & disciplined in their Dhamma — does not assume form to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

A learned noble disciple has seen the noble ones, and is skilled and trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They’ve seen true persons, and are skilled and trained in the teaching of the true persons.

Pāli

attato samanupassati, na rūpavantaṃ attānaṃ; na attani rūpaṃ, na rūpasmiṃ attānaṃ. Na vedanaṃ… na sannaṃ… na saṅkhāre… na viññāṇaṃ attato samanupassati, na viññāṇavantaṃ attānaṃ; na attani viññāṇaṃ, na viññāṇasmiṃ attānaṃ.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not assume feeling to be the self...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

Pāli

‘‘So aniccaṃ rūpaṃ ‘aniccaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Aniccaṃ vedanaṃ … aniccaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not assume perception to be the self...

"He does not assume fabrications to be the self...

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

Pāli

sannaṃ… anicce saṅkhāre … aniccaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘aniccaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not assume consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

choices …

Pāli

‘‘Dukkhaṃ rūpaṃ ‘dukkhaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Dukkhaṃ vedanaṃ… dukkhaṃ

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He discerns inconstant form, as it actually is present, as 'inconstant form.' He discerns inconstant feeling... He discerns inconstant perception... He discerns inconstant fabrications... He discerns inconstant consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'inconstant consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

Pāli

sannaṃ… dukkhe saṅkhāre… dukkhaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘dukkhaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He discerns stressful form, as it actually is present, as 'stressful form.' He discerns stressful feeling... He discerns stressful perception... He discerns stressful fabrications... He discerns stressful consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'stressful consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

choices …

Pāli

‘‘Anattaṃ rūpaṃ ‘anattā rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Anattaṃ vedanaṃ… anattaṃ sannaṃ…

anatte saṅkhāre… anattaṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘anattā viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He discerns not-self form, as it actually is present, as 'not-self form.' He discerns not-self feeling... He discerns not-self perception... He discerns not-self fabrications... He discerns not-self consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'not-self consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

choices …

Pāli

‘‘Saṅkhataṃ rūpaṃ ‘saṅkhataṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Saṅkhataṃ vedanaṃ… saṅkhataṃ sannaṃ… saṅkhate saṅkhāre… saṅkhataṃ viññāṇaṃ ‘saṅkhataṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He discerns fabricated form, as it actually is present, as 'fabricated form.' He discerns fabricated feeling... He discerns fabricated perception... He discerns fabricated fabrications... He discerns fabricated consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'fabricated consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

Pāli

‘‘Vadhakaṃ rūpaṃ ‘vadhakaṃ rūpa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Vadhakaṃ vedanaṃ… vadhakaṃ

sannaṃ… vadhake saṅkhāre ‘‘vadhakā saṅkhārā’’ti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti. Vadhakaṃ viññāṇaṃ

‘vadhakaṃ viññāṇa’nti yathābhūtaṃ pajānāti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He discerns murderous form, as it actually is present, as 'murderous form.' He discerns murderous feeling... He discerns murderous perception... He discerns murderous fabrications... He discerns murderous consciousness, as it actually is present, as 'murderous consciousness.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

They’re attracted to feeling …

choices …

They truly understand form—which is a killer—as a killer.

Pāli

‘‘So rūpaṃ na upeti, na upādiyati, nādhiṭṭhāti – ‘attā me’ti. Vedanaṃ… sannaṃ… saṅkhāre… viññāṇaṃ na upeti, na upādiyati, nādhiṭṭhāti – ‘attā me’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"He does not get attached to form, does not cling to form, does not determine it to be 'my self.' He does not get attached to feeling... He does not get attached to perception... He does not get attached to fabrications... He does not get attached to consciousness, does not cling to consciousness, does not determine it to be 'my self.'

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

When it comes to form, they are not attracted, do not grasp, and do not fixate on the thought, ‘my self’.

Pāli

Tassime pañcupādānakkhandhā anupetā

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

These five clinging-aggregates — not attached to, not clung to — lead to his long-term happiness & well-being."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

And when you’re not attracted to and don’t grasp these five grasping aggregates, they lead to your lasting welfare and happiness.”

Pāli

anupādinnā dīgharattaṃ hitāya sukhāya saṃvattantī’’ti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

And when you’re not attracted to and don’t grasp these five grasping aggregates, they lead to your lasting welfare and happiness.”

Pāli

‘‘Evametaṃ, āvuso sāriputta, hoti yesaṃ

āyasmantānaṃ tādisā sabrahmacārino anukampakā atthakāmā ovādakā anusāsakā. Idañca pana me

āyasmato sāriputtassa dhammadesanaṃ sutvā anupādāya āsavehi cittaṃ vimutta’’nti.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Even so, my friend Sariputta, are those who have people like you as their fellows in the holy life, teaching them, admonishing them out of sympathy, desiring their welfare. For now that I have heard this explanation of the Dhamma from you, my mind — through lack of clinging/sustenance — has been released from the effluents."

Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0

“Reverend Sāriputta, this is how it is when you have such venerables as spiritual companions to advise and instruct you out of kindness and sympathy.

And after hearing this teaching by Venerable Sāriputta, my mind is freed from the defilements by not grasping.”

Pāli

Tatiyaṃ.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu

End of the Third.

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